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I'll start us off: at the beginning of Ch. 13, Joe can't seem to address Miss Havisham directly, and speaks to Pip instead. What does this tell us about Joe, and how does Pip respond? Why?
RB
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This was actually the question I was going to ask. It really confused me, but the way I viewed it was that Joe seem to continue to talk to Pip instead of talking to Miss Havisham because he wants to be really careful for what he says; he doesn't want to make a mistake that will affect Pip. In the beginning of chapter 13, Pip said " I knew he made himself uncomfortable entirely on my account, and that it was for me he pulled up his shirt collar..."
I also think that Joe is kind of feeling inferior that he cannot look up to a person who is of high social standing.
As I was reading I came up with a question:
Why did the convict ( who we don't know yet) knock down Mrs. Joe? why not Pip if he is the one who was involved with the convict's escape in the past
In chapter 14, why does Pip all of a sudden feel more ashamed of his home than he used to? What happened with Joe?
In chapter 13, page 103, Mrs. Joe, Joe and Pumblechook are bickering about the 25 pounds, and they keep saying "Bound." For example: "This boy must be bound out of hand. That's my way. Bound out of hand." What does bound mean? Why is it important to the context of this page?
To answer the first question, I would say that Joe feels inferior in the presence of Miss Havisham, because from what we have read so far Joe has not had any interaction with anyone from the upper class. He probably does not know how to behave in the presence of someone such as Miss Havisham. Therefor he interacts through Pip.
It also seemed to me that Pip was drifting away from Joe, who is one of his few true friends. My question is why Pip does not tell Joe his true feelings about being his apprentice?? Joe is the only one looking out for Pip, I think Joe would support Pip in his ambitions to become something greater then a blacksmith. (Just my thoughts though)
In chapter 16, Pip feels guilty for Ms. Joe's attack. I don't exactly understand why. Is this becuase he feel that he had provided the weapon from his blacksmith or is there a more profound reason?
Tal, you're right. Pip thinks that he supplied the file used to open the shackles. This leads him to think either his convict is on the loose again, or the man who gave him the two pounds came to get it back.
After Ms. Joe gets knocked out, does she appear to be getting better, or does she just have periods when she seems more aware than at other times? I can't tell whether the damage done is permanent.
One of my questions was who permanently damaged Mrs.Joe?
After reading the chapters so far, I think the stranger who Pip and Joes met at the bar did it. One of the main reasons why is because the iron used to Mrs.Joe was filed and the stanger had Joe's file. One reason why I would think it was not him is because why would he give them the huge sum of money if he was going to hurt or potentially kill Mrs.Joe? I guess the explanation to this is because he wanted to give a consolation for what he was going to do (in order to take the guild that he expected away (however, this is quite and assumption)).
Why did Ms. Havisham give Pip a huge sum of money to become an apprentice of Joe?
Why does he ask Biddy how she manages learning so well?
Pip’s relationship with Biddy is based on Pipp’s desire of a higher education to ascend social classes and not be seen as inferior by Estella. Pipp wishes to learn more from Biddy who he views as more intelligent.
Why does Pip feel partially at fault for the attack on Ms. Joe?
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